Another bad result and things look bleak, but on the other hand we’re still well within touching distance of safety. A non descript defeat at Everton to discuss should be delightful. Joining Stephen and Gareth are Richard Mennear of the Sunderland Echo and WMS contributor Michael Lough.

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